Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/22/2001 01:30 PM Senate L&C

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                     ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                   
                 SENATE LABOR & COMMERCE COMMITTEE                                                                            
                         February 22, 2001                                                                                      
                             1:30 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips, Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Alan Austerman                                                                                                          
Senator Loren Leman                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator John Torgerson                                                                                                          
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
Department of Labor and Work Force Development, Division of Workers                                                             
Compensation Audit by Division of Legislative Audit                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pat Davidson, Auditor                                                                                                       
Division of Legislative Audit                                                                                                   
P.O. Box 113300                                                                                                                 
Juneau AK 99811                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Paul Grossi, Director                                                                                                       
Division of Workers' Compensation                                                                                               
Department of Labor & Workforce                                                                                                 
  Development                                                                                                                   
PO Box 21149                                                                                                                    
Juneau, AK 99802-1149                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bob Lohr, Director                                                                                                          
Division of Insurance                                                                                                           
Department of Commerce and Community Development                                                                                
3601 C Street                                                                                                                   
Anchorage AK 99503                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Barbara Williams, Executive Director                                                                                        
Alaska Injured Workers alliance                                                                                                 
P.O. Box 101093                                                                                                                 
Anchorage AK 99510                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Kevin Dougherty                                                                                                             
Alaska Laborers                                                                                                                 
2501 Commercial Dr.                                                                                                             
Anchorage AK 99504                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAURA WALDON                                                                                                                
Alaska Injured Workers Alliance                                                                                                 
4120 Resurrection Dr.                                                                                                           
Anchorage AK 99504                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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TAPE 01-7, SIDE A                                                                                                             
Number 001                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN RANDY PHILLIPS called the Senate Labor and Commerce                                                                  
Committee meeting to order at 1:30 p.m.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PAT DAVIDSON,  Legislative  Auditor,  said they  completed  the                                                            
review of the  Division of Workers'  Compensation in October  99. In                                                            
September  2000, they conducted  a survey  of agencies to  determine                                                            
the status of  prior recommendations. Page 47 contains  the response                                                            
to the audit and she read:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The objective  of the original report was to evaluate  the                                                                 
     Workers  Compensation Program  and to assess the agency's                                                                  
     administration, enforcement  and functional application of                                                                 
     the  Alaska  Worker Compensation  Act.  The scope  of  the                                                                 
     audit  encompassed   all  major  areas  of  the  Workers'                                                                  
     Compensation     Program    including     administration,                                                                  
     reemployment  benefits, adjudicatory  section, as well  as                                                                 
     the regulation  of insurance companies by the  Division of                                                                 
     Insurance.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     We  found  there  was a  major  rewrite  of  the Workers'                                                                  
     Compensation  Law in 1988. One of the policy goals  was to                                                                 
     reduce  the Workers'  compensation  costs.  This goal  has                                                                 
     been met. Since FY 89, rates  have been reduced by over 40                                                                 
     percent.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Injured  workers  were  also  to be  protected  by strict                                                                  
     enforcement of the provision  of the Workers' Compensation                                                                 
     Act.  However,  as a result  of our  audit,  we found  the                                                                 
     circumstances  have developed that limited the  protection                                                                 
     provided  to  the  injured workers.  These  circumstances                                                                  
     included:                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
         · Policing of uninsured employers was largely                                                                          
           ineffective due to shortcomings in the Division's                                                                    
           operation  and the prosecutorial  philosophy of  the                                                                 
           Department of Law.                                                                                                   
         · That sanctions against frivolous controversions                                                                      
           had  been rendered ineffective  by the policies  and                                                                 
           practices of the Division of Insurance.                                                                              
         · In    addition   to   these    administrative    and                                                                 
           interagency  coordination problems, in  places where                                                                 
           the   statute   lacked   clarity,  they   had   been                                                                 
           interpreted   and applied  to  the  benefit  of  the                                                                 
           insurance     companies,     specifically,      when                                                                 
           calculating   penalties   and  penalty  forgiveness                                                                  
           sections  of the statute. Workers' Comp  did it in a                                                                 
           manner   that  benefited  insurance  companies   the                                                                 
           most.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Meanwhile,  provisions put into  the 1988 statute as  part                                                                 
     of  the  legislative  desire  to  control,  if  not  lower                                                                 
     Workers'   compensation  rates,  have  over  time  become                                                                  
     increasingly   contrary  to   the  interests  of  injured                                                                  
     workers. Specifically, the  caps on jury awards and barrel                                                                 
     costs set  out in statutes in 1988 have eroded  over time.                                                                 
     The  complexity   of  the  disputed  claims  process   has                                                                 
     generally  worked to the disadvantage  of injured workers                                                                  
     who  often  cannot   obtain  appropriate  representation.                                                                  
     Constraints  on the  eligibility requirement  for injured                                                                  
     workers  to  qualify   for  retraining  and  reemployment                                                                  
     benefits have proven to be overly restrictive.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The  report contains  12 individual  recommendations.  The                                                                 
     underlying themes to these recommendations are:                                                                            
         · Rebalance the interests of injured workers and the                                                                   
           employers; and                                                                                                       
         · Increase the operational efficiencies and                                                                            
           effectiveness in the Division of Workers'                                                                            
           Compensation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said he didn't see  an issue mentioned that  has come                                                            
to his attention in the  12 recommendations. Some employers had told                                                            
him  that  the  Workers'  Compensation  Board  has  recently  almost                                                            
consistently  sided with claims  made by workers  and in some  cases                                                            
they were claiming  injuries from previous employment  which, on the                                                            
surface, seemed  inappropriate. He  asked her if this was  something                                                            
they should be concerned about.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIDSON  replied that  evaluations of  individual decisions  by                                                            
the Workers' Compensation  Board wasn't included in this audit. They                                                            
were looking more at processes than individual determinations.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said if there was a  pattern, he thought it  might be                                                            
good to look at it.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAUL GROSSI,  Director, Division of Workers' Compensation,  said                                                            
essentially he agreed with  most of the findings and recommendations                                                            
in the audit  and introduced HB 419  increasing benefits  and HB 378                                                            
dealing with funding and administrative shortcomings.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HB 419 dealt with recommendations  2, 4 and 5. Number two dealt with                                                            
inadequacies  of the  benefits -  permanent and  partial  impairment                                                            
($135,000  since 1988)  - not keeping  up with  inflation. That  was                                                            
also true of the  retraining benefits. HB 419 increased  benefits to                                                            
$177,000 although  the audit suggested  $189,000. But they  used the                                                            
Anchorage  CPI  to  address  the shortcoming;  the  audit  used  the                                                            
national CPI.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The funeral  benefit  had been  $2,500 and the  legislature  changed                                                            
that  to $5,000  for  a funeral  and  an additional  $5,000  to  the                                                            
survivor, in addition  to the weekly benefits a survivor  would get.                                                            
The audit  also  suggested that  the benefits  be  tied to  indexing                                                            
under the CPI,  which wasn't accomplished in the bill,  although the                                                            
maximum   compensation,  minimum   compensation,   and  the   weekly                                                            
retrianing  compensation was  indexed to the  Alaska average  weekly                                                            
wage.  This  resulted in  a  $700  maximum compensation   to a  $762                                                            
maximum in July  2000. It went up in January of 2001  to $768. There                                                            
were some increases in  reemployment benefits from 60 percent of the                                                            
spendable weekly  wage to 70 percent  and the maximum was  increased                                                            
and tied  to an  indexing  factor under  the Alaska  average  weekly                                                            
wage.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The  widow, widower  and  orphan  benefits  were increased  from  80                                                            
percent of  the spendable and that's  what it still is for  a single                                                            
widow,  but  for  a widow  and  a  child,  it's 90  percent  of  the                                                            
spendable (net income)  - with two children, it's 100 percent of the                                                            
spendable weekly wage. That's also true of an orphan.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 900                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. GROSSI  said one  of the issues  that weren't  addressed  in the                                                            
audit was  the interim  compensation  being allowed  when a case  is                                                            
contested. This  is a very complicated issue and solves  the problem                                                            
of an employee  who is involved in  litigation, but if the  employee                                                            
was entitled to  the benefits, that would be fine.   However, if the                                                            
employee  is not entitled  to the  benefits, the  problem is  how to                                                            
make the  employer whole.  The legislature  could do it, but  it's a                                                            
matter  of social  policy,  which  would  solve some  problems,  but                                                            
create others. It would  probably increase the cost to employers and                                                            
there  would  be increases   for administration   of that  item  and                                                            
hearings.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Recommendation  number 4 provides  a penalty for untimely  notice of                                                            
coverage. Part  of the reason for  this suggestion was to  make sure                                                            
the coverage  was there and knowing  who was and who wasn't  covered                                                            
for investigation  of uninsured employers. These problems  have come                                                            
a long way in  being rectified with the new computer  system and the                                                            
new system  for investigation.  In FY 98,  there were 107  uninsured                                                            
employer  injured workers and  in FY 00 there  were 39 with  the new                                                            
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. GROSSI  said the other suggestion  that wasn't addressed  in any                                                            
way was empowering  the Board to sanction  uninsured employers  with                                                            
some sort of penalty.  The suggestion was to amend  AS 23.30.075 and                                                            
also talked  about a  50 percent  penalty to  the uninsured  injured                                                            
worker. Mr.  Grossi thought that was  a better alternative,  because                                                            
the penalty would go to  the injured worker who is the person who is                                                            
most harmed.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GROSSI  said   that  the  rest  of  the  recommendations   were                                                            
administrative  and many of them have  been addressed, but  it would                                                            
help to not  have any further budget  cuts and to actually  get some                                                            
increments in the future.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
One of the auditor's suggestions  was on electronic data interchange                                                            
(EDI), which  is turning out to be  one of the best suggestions  for                                                            
his Division.  He said he was talking  with his counterpart  in Utah                                                            
who has a system for electronic  data interchange that automatically                                                            
puts information  into their system.  They would give it  to Alaska,                                                            
if it would work up here.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1200                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LEMAN asked if  he had seen  any evidence  of a pattern  of                                                            
these  types  of   decisions.  He  wants  injured   workers  to  get                                                            
compensation  for their  injuries, but  he didn't  want them  to get                                                            
compensation for things that shouldn't count.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GROSSI  answered that  this issue comes  up periodically,  so he                                                            
had staff review  decision orders  two different times. It  has come                                                            
up real close to 50/50 on the decisions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  thought maybe every  once in a while they  just "blow                                                            
it" because the evidence  isn't very strong. He also noted last year                                                            
the legislature  put an almost  immediate effective  date on  it and                                                            
told  the Department  to make  regulations.  In November  they  were                                                            
finished and  there was a retroactive  application. Many  employers,                                                            
then, had to  pick up the costs in  the cases where they  could have                                                            
recovered them from their  clients. It could have been handled a lot                                                            
better than it was.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. GROSSI  said HB 419 was  the bill in  question and it  went into                                                            
effect  July  1.  He  agreed  with Senator  Leman  that  it  was  an                                                            
unintended  consequence.  An Ad Hoc  committee  wanted an  immediate                                                            
effective  date.  There  were  contractors  who  had  contracts  and                                                            
planned on the premium  being at a certain rate, but it got changed.                                                            
For the future he thought  it wise to always make the effective date                                                            
January 1.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN agreed with him.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOB  LOHR, Director,  Division of Insurance,  said that  finding                                                            
number  six  identified  that  in  the past  the  Division  has  not                                                            
strictly enforced  the provisions  of AS 23.30.155 (o), the  payment                                                            
system for  claims. It says,  "The Board  shall promptly notify  the                                                            
Division of  Insurance, if the Board  determines that the  employers                                                            
insurer has  frivolously or unfairly  controverted compensation  due                                                            
under  this chapter.  After  receiving notice  from  the Board,  the                                                            
Division of Insurance  shall determine if the insurer  has committed                                                            
an unfair claim settlement practice under AS 21.36.125."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He explained,  if the Workers'  Compensation  Board has found  there                                                            
has been  unfair or frivolous  controversions  in a case pending  in                                                            
front of it, they  refer the matter to the Division  and they follow                                                            
up  under their  statute  to determine  whether  there  has been  an                                                            
unfair  claims   settlement  practice   or  not.  They  agree   that                                                            
enforcement  needs  to be  "beefed  up" and  they have  developed  a                                                            
timetable and schedule for handling cases.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LOHR said  they disagreed with  the statutory interpretation  of                                                            
their unfair claims practice.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The   audit  suggested   that  the   Division  has   ample                                                                 
     enforcement  authority under  the statute to go ahead  and                                                                 
     issue  a fine at that  point.  Based  on regulations  that                                                                 
     the Division  had adopted many  years ago, the pattern  or                                                                 
     practice is what was required  in order to be able to take                                                                 
     enforcement  action.  That  is where  things  stood  until                                                                 
     January  1 of this year. At that  point, Senator Donley's                                                                  
     SB 177  was adopted  and that bill made  a single act,  as                                                                 
     opposed  to a general business  practice, in violation  of                                                                 
     AS  21.36.125. That  act passed the  legislature and  took                                                                 
     affect  on  January 1,  2001.  As a  result of  that,  any                                                                 
     decision  of the Workers' Compensation  Board identifying                                                                  
     unfair   controversions,    where   the   facts   of   the                                                                 
     controversion  by  the employer  or the  insurer occurred                                                                  
     after  January  1  this  year. The  Insurance  Division's                                                                  
     enforcement  of  referrals  under  Workers'  Compensation                                                                  
     statute  155.0  will be  much  more straightforward.   The                                                                 
     Division  intends to  review each case  referred from  the                                                                 
     Workers'  Comp Board  based on  the finding  of frivolous                                                                  
     controversion  to determine whether the facts  of the case                                                                 
     establish  a violation of our 125. If they do,  we will be                                                                 
     sending a letter to the  insurance company or the adjuster                                                                 
     identifying  this and inviting their reply. The  goal here                                                                 
     would  be to  put  a plan  in place  to  eliminate future                                                                  
     controversions   by  that   company.   If  there  were   a                                                                 
     recurrence  by  the  same  company,  then  administrative                                                                  
     action by the Division would be appropriate.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARBARA  WILLIAMS, Executive  Director,  Alaska Injured  Workers                                                            
Alliance, said  they have 500 members  and have processed  thousands                                                            
of requests  for information  yearly. She  was personally active  in                                                            
requesting this audit and  worked hard to help the Legislative Audit                                                            
Division to understand some of the complex issues. She said:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     We have known  from the beginning that workers  have had a                                                                 
     hard   time   obtaining   their  benefits   as   well   as                                                                 
     understanding the complex  legal process. Many workers are                                                                 
     affected  by this  system statewide  and  we are grateful                                                                  
     that   the  audit   was  done.   Regarding   the  audit's                                                                  
     suggestions, she commented:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   · 1. The alternate resolution dispute would greatly assist                                                                   
     workers  who lose  benefits. It  could potentially  be used  to                                                            
     decide the need for  medical treatment and other payment issues                                                            
     for workers.                                                                                                               
   · 2.  The latest law change will benefit insurers and again                                                                  
     reduce  benefits to  workers. Workers  are still earning  below                                                            
     poverty  wages. The  average worker  on the  low end will  only                                                            
     receive approximately  $20 and on the high end  about $70. This                                                            
     still does not equal  anything close to inflation or meaningful                                                            
     economic  relief for workers.  Workers waited 12 years  for any                                                            
     sort  of adjustment.  Other legislative  changes  made it  much                                                            
     easier  for the employers doctors  to interfere or dictate  the                                                            
     care  workers  will  receive   while  injured.  She  said  that                                                            
     rehabilitation  waivers are another  issue. How are  workers to                                                            
     evaluate  without  clear  information  what  the  benefits  can                                                            
     entail. They may be  unable to realize the benefits they may be                                                            
     waiving.                                                                                                                   
   · 3. They are still without basic education for workers and                                                                  
     health care providers.  All the parties are required to provide                                                            
     tasks,  but there's  no  clear idea  available  to educate  the                                                            
     parties as to their  responsibilities. Complex legal issues for                                                            
     the  regular workers  are hard  enough, but  combine that  with                                                            
     brain injuries  and mental health issues, and  the task becomes                                                            
     impossible  for many. Education is the key and  the Alliance is                                                            
     the  only  organization  providing  education  to  workers  and                                                            
     health  care providers.  They make  Title 23  available for  as                                                            
     many people as possible  in written form and have the rules and                                                            
     information  needed  to process  claims. Many  providers  don't                                                            
     have  a clear  idea  of their  legal  requirements  and how  to                                                            
     pursue them.  None of the new legislation begins  to attempt to                                                            
     address this issue.                                                                                                        
   · 4. She said the AWCB should be using more proactive measures                                                               
     to see that  the uninsured employer pays benefits  to those who                                                            
     are entitled  to them. Mr. Jerry Flock had an  employer who not                                                            
     only denied  his benefits, but took out a contract  on his life                                                            
     in order  not to pay benefits owed. To this day,  Mr. Flock has                                                            
     not received  benefits and wishes  the state pursued  the claim                                                            
     against the employer  for his misconducts. The state could make                                                            
     sure in  this instance the employer  could post bonds  to cover                                                            
     certain  costs for employees.  More should be done to  see that                                                            
     employers  are  and  stay  insured.  In  the  above  referenced                                                            
     incident, the employer  was allowed to uninsured 16 consecutive                                                            
     times. This is in no way acceptable.                                                                                       
   · 5. Without sanctioning employers for failure to insure, the                                                                
     state is  allowing them to not follow the law  and there are no                                                            
     consequences in place to punish them.                                                                                      
   · 6. The Division of Insurance should be held accountable for                                                                
     assisting  in prosecution of  uninsured employers. They  should                                                            
     be looking out for the consumers and the public at large.                                                                  
   · 7. There is still a great need for information on the annual                                                               
     report  and  the  information  needs  to be  verified  in  some                                                            
     fashion.                                                                                                                   
   · 8 - 12. Effective penalties need to be addressed by the                                                                    
     Division of Workers'  Compensation. Many insurers and employers                                                            
     laugh  at  them  because  of  the  inadequate  and ineffective                                                             
     measures  for measuring  penalties. Overwhelmingly,  the  audit                                                            
     concluded  that  the Division  of Workers'  Compensation  works                                                            
     with  insurers, employers  and  risk management,  but the  most                                                            
     critical  portion of the equation that's missing  is the worker                                                            
     and how it affects them.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILLIAMS  said the workers  have to survive  on these  benefits.                                                            
Many insurance  adjusters  are playing Russian  roulette with  these                                                            
peoples'  livelihood.  Page 19  of the  audit says  the legislature                                                             
achieved  its policy  objective  of lowering  Workers' compensation                                                             
costs. However,  in achieving this  goal, situations have  developed                                                            
through  a variety  of  circumstances  that  have left  the  injured                                                            
worker  disadvantaged   by  the  statute.  This  is  an   unintended                                                            
consequence   of  the  1988  legislation,   but  nevertheless   more                                                            
consideration is provided  to employers and insurance companies than                                                            
to workers.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILLIAMS  said finally, that many  people have testified  to the                                                            
committee,  but last year  legislative changes  were made by  the Ad                                                            
Hoc committee  and not one  injured worker  sits on that  committee.                                                            
The Alliance  was consulted  on the sly and  they didn't like  that.                                                            
They want  to be  part of  the bargaining  table when  the laws  are                                                            
made. HB  419 greatly reduces  worker benefits  this year,  although                                                            
some financial issues were addressed.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN PHILLIPS thanked her for her concise testimony.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEVIN DOUGHERTY, Alaska  Laborers and Ad Hoc member, said he was                                                            
available to answer questions.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAURA WALDEN, Alaska  Injured Workers Alliance, said her concern                                                            
is that injured  workers are being left out of the  loop when policy                                                            
decisions are  being made. She was also concerned  that an insurance                                                            
adjuster  works for  the insurance  company and  is employed  by the                                                            
state  at the  same time  and that  didn't  seem right  if they  are                                                            
supposed to be unbiased.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALDEN  informed them that some  injured workers, like  herself,                                                            
are still waiting  to get medical  care and are being denied  by the                                                            
hospitals and clinics,  because they don't have insurance or incomes                                                            
to pay for it.  A lot of people are on suicide lists.  She asked the                                                            
committee to help  find a remedy for the uninsured  who were injured                                                            
on the  job and the  employer refuses  to pay for  it. She said  the                                                            
health providers,  "can go in, strip  those peoples' bank  accounts,                                                            
take  their  permanent   fund  for  something  that  the   insurance                                                            
companies and Workers'  Compensation should be taking care of…. When                                                            
you strip them of everything, then you make them homeless."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN PHILLIPS  asked her to fax  her testimony to him  and asked                                                            
if anyone else  wanted to speak. He asked Mr. Dougherty  which other                                                            
groups were on the Ad Hoc Committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. DOUGHERTY replied that  the Ad Hoc Committee had disbanded since                                                            
they only  meet when  there are  issues. Last  session, at the  last                                                            
one, they  had labor  management  representation.  He served as  co-                                                            
chair, Jim Robertson,  David Ford from the Iron Workers,  John Chuki                                                            
and from the Electrical  Workers in Fairbanks were on the committee.                                                            
From  the employer  side,  they  had Judy  Peterson,  Mary  Shields,                                                            
Willie VanHemert,  Sally Ann Karey,  and John Garrett from  Alyeska.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN PHILLIPS asked  who was representing the injured workers on                                                            
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. DOUGHERTY said in his  job he represents injured workers all day                                                            
long and of the four labor  people on the committee, the other three                                                            
had been hurt  on the job and he has had a death in  the family from                                                            
a work place related  situation. They are familiar  with the law and                                                            
with the benefits it sometimes provides.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN PHILLIPS asked about unorganized labor.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DOUGHERTY replied that they take input from anyone.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN PHILLIPS said he would hold the bill for further work.                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
TAPE 01-7, SIDE B                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
CHAIRMAN PHILLIPS adjourned the meeting at 2:20 p.m.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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